Godwin's law

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An attendee at the 2010 Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear wearing a T-shirt implicitly referencing Godwin's Law: "I disagree with you but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler."

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule), short for Godwin's law of Nazi analogies,<ref name="Godwin94">Template:Cite magazine</ref> is an Internet adage asserting: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."<ref name="Godwin95canonical version">{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref> The law’s creator, Mike Godwin, maintains these comparisons often trivialize the Holocaust. It is an example of the {{#invoke:Lang|lang}} fallacy.

In 2021, Harvard researchers published an article showing that the Nazi-comparison phenomenon does not occur with statistically meaningful frequency in Reddit discussions.<ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref><ref>Template:Cite journal</ref>

History

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Godwin in 2010

Promulgated by the American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990,<ref name="Godwin94" /> Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.<ref name="Godwin 1991">Template:Cite newsgroup</ref> He stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics,<ref name="Godwin94" /> specifically to address the ubiquity of such comparisons which he believes regrettably trivialize the Holocaust.<ref>Template:Cite news</ref><ref>Template:Cite podcast</ref> Later, it was applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and social-media comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric<ref name="Goldacre 2010">{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref><ref name="Hillary Putin">Template:Cite news</ref> where {{#invoke:Lang|lang}} occurs.

In 2012, Godwin's law became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.<ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref>

Generalization, corollaries, and usage

Godwin's law can be applied mistakenly or abused as a distraction, a diversion, or even censorship, when miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole even when the comparison made by the argument is appropriate.<ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref> Godwin has criticized the over-application of the adage, claiming that it does not articulate a fallacy, but rather is intended to reduce the frequency of inappropriate and hyperbolic comparisons:<ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref>

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Godwin's law has many corollaries, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)<ref name="Godwin95canonical version" /> than others. For example, many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums have a tradition that, when a Nazi or Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress.<ref>Template:Cite news</ref> This idea is itself sometimes mistakenly referred to as Godwin's law.<ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref>

Godwin rejects the idea that whoever invokes Godwin's law has lost the argument, and suggests that, applied appropriately, the rule "should function less as a conversation ender and more as a conversation starter."<ref name="LAT 2018-06">{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref> In an interview with Time Magazine, Godwin said that making comparisons to Hitler would actually be appropriate under the right circumstances:<ref name="time">Template:Cite magazine</ref>

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I urge people to develop enough perspective to do it thoughtfully. If you think the comparison is valid, and you've given it some thought, do it. All I ask you to do is think about the human beings capable of acting very badly. We have to keep the magnitude of those events in mind, and not be glib. Our society needs to be more humane, more civilized and to grow up.{{#if:|

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In August 2017, while commenting on the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Godwin himself endorsed and encouraged social-media users to compare its alt-right participants to Nazis.<ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref><ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web }}</ref>

Godwin has denied the need to update or amend the rule. In June 2018, he wrote, in an opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times: "It still serves us as a tool to recognize specious comparisons to Nazism – but also, by contrast, to recognize comparisons that aren't."<ref name="LAT 2018-06" /> Additionally, when a potential subject of Godwin's law seems "intent on making the Hitler comparison",<ref name="washington post">Template:Cite news</ref> the comparison with fascism may be appropriate rather than devaluing the argument; a "MAGA" corollary to the Law recognizes the pernicious embrace of Nazi-inspired tropes and phrases by the "alt-right".

As an illustration, in an interview with Politico published on December 19, 2023, Godwin pointed out that Donald Trump might actually be using Hitler's rhetoric on purpose, for instance when accusing immigrants of “poisoning the blood” of the country or calling his political opponents “vermin”:<ref>{{#invoke:citation/CS1|citation |CitationClass=web

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You could say the ‘vermin’ remark or the ‘poisoning the blood’ remark, maybe one of them would be a coincidence. But both of them pretty much make it clear that there’s something thematic going on, and I can’t believe it’s accidental.”

In an opinion published the same day in The Washington Post, Godwin stated: “Yes, it's okay to compare Trump to Hitler. Don't let me stop you.”<ref>Template:Cite news</ref> In the article, Godwin says that “when people draw parallels between Donald Trump’s 2024 candidacy and Hitler’s progression from fringe figure to Great Dictator, we aren’t joking. Those of us who hope to preserve our democratic institutions need to underscore the resemblance before we enter the twilight of American democracy.”<ref>Template:Cite news</ref>

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