Vero - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alberta Williams King
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The result of the debate was KEEP. dbenbenn | talk 00:07, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The votes were 4 delete, 13 keep.
Solely distinguished for being someone's mother, it seems. That someone is "Martain Luther King, Jr." (sic). Even Martin Luther King's mother wouldn't merit her own article on that ground alone, though. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Martin Luther King, Sr.. Better a redlink than this. Uncle G 19:18, 2005 Jan 21 (UTC)
- I'd say keep though this needs a lot of cleanup and expansion. Like MLKJr (and possibly MLKJr's brother), she was assasinated. That alone should be worthy of a brief article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:27, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, very notable subject. A deletable substub at present but I don't think it will stay that way. Andrewa 19:39, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, for same reasons mentioned at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Martin Luther King, Sr. only perhaps more so. Behind every notable person there is at least one or more "unsung" persons who influenced them enormously... a parent or relative, a teacher, a mentor. But the point is, these folks are unsung and not notable in their own right. We don't have an article on Albert Einstein's high school physics teacher, or whatnot. Having said that, people are bending the rules for reasons of sentiment, and there's nothing horribly wrong with that I suppose, as long as somebody gets busy and makes this article much more presentable. I presume the Keep voters from MLK Sr. will step up to the plate once again? -- Curps 21:12, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Comment I think you might be right that some folks might vote keep here because of sentiment, but surely it is worth noting that she was assasinated. Also, as I stated in my defence of the MLKSr article, MLKJr is the subject of a HUGE number of school reports by children, and thus things relating to him should be considered more carefully than, say, an article about an article about Richard Dawson's mother or something similarly obscure. In other words, MLKJr is the subject of a lot of research, Wikipedia is a research tool. Therefore, the more the merrier. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:29, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, obviously. GRider\talk 22:43, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, being the mother of someone notable does not IMO make that person notable on those grounds alone. If we start allowing entries like this we could open the floodgate to allowing MLK's other relatives to be included even if they havent done anything notable. I don't believe this is a good thing in the long term for Wikipedia. Megan1967 01:07, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, information is easily verifiable. - SimonP 03:31, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. I'll side with Megan here. --Idont Havaname 05:49, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep or merge and redirect. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:02, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Most notable people don't deserve separate articles on close family members unless they are notable in their own right, but exceptionally famous people do. Everyking 09:35, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, sadly, her assasination taken in context with her son's is encyclopedic. Wyss 10:21, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. --JuntungWu 10:52, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. She had an imortant influence on Martin Luther King Jr. a highly notable figure and someone who is likely to be the subject of school projects. She was the choir director of a well-regarded choir that performed at the premiere of Gone with the Wind in 1939. Her assassination is also notable. I have fleshed out the article adding this information.
- Oops. forgot to sign onCapitalistroadster 03:09, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, new article seems fine. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 01:09, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Bad article, but notable. Bart133 03:27, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Yet another keeper. —RaD Man (talk) 19:29, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. She played a large role in MLK's ministry and is therefore worthy of an article. Zerbey 23:45, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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