Vero - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Zhivago

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - should be merged into either A Clockwork Orange or List of fictional bands

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Johnny Zhivago

Fancruft. Gazpacho 04:04, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. If you want to delete this and you might as well start deleting all fancruft. Do I see you doing that say in a Simpsons, Star Wars, Star Trek, or Pokemon page? No. So either get to work, or keep this page. —ExplorerCDT 04:12, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Overreact much? Gamaliel 04:15, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • It's the usual response I get when I try to delete fancruft. Just being consistent. —ExplorerCDT 04:18, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Delete. Gamaliel 04:15, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect with A Clockwork Orange, there's not enough info for a seperate article. Shane King 04:19, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete: Johnny Zhivago was mentioned in the VfD discussion for Moop. It seems that ExplorerCDT is having a little fun. DCEdwards1966 05:35, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect. The information could be useful, but I don't think it's articleworthy. Unless someone feels like hunting down information on a bunch of bands named Johnny Zhivago. --Billfred 05:40, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep; if this has inspired the names of a lot of other bands, I guess it's worth an article. It does seem awfully insignificant even within the context of the movie, but if people have attached importance to it anyway, I don't see why it shouldn't have an article. Google turns up over 1,300 hits. Everyking 06:13, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Methinks ExplorerCDT is using wikipedia to make a point. Now isn't there a policy against using wikipedia to make a point? Anyway, I've seen this movie numerous times and I can't recall that scene at all, which tells you just how grandular it is. Nor can I recall who Marty is (though I don't think he's a 1955 movie, as the link states). There's nothing to merge here, as something mentioned once in passing has no real place in the film's article. Besides, stuff this minor gets deleted all the time, even when it relates to Simpsons, Star Trek, etc. Delete. No merge. No redirect. -R. fiend 06:16, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Just goes to show you we need a Marty disambig. —ExplorerCDT 06:21, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Delete --Carnildo 06:44, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Much as I enjoyed Burgess's book (couldn't see the movie because Kubrick refused to let it be shown here), this is not worth the bother. This would perhaps merit an entry under trivia in an article on the Burgess novel or the Kubrick movie. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 11:14, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: Hmmm no List of real bands named after fictional bands yet huh...
• Delete. This is one line in a film - one throwaway line. IF a famous band called itself Johnny Zhivago (and they can't be that famouse because they don't have an article), then it would be worth a mention in their article, with a link to A Clockwork Orange. I could write an article on my coffee mug that is of more use than this (but won't because you're not meant to use Wikipedia to make a point). Average Earthman 14:51, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • I think the author was referring to Heaven 17, a fictiona band mentioned in the quote he gives, after which at least one real band has been named. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 16:19, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Delete nicely made point though - LiquidXY 15:07, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep...if it has indeed spawned many band names.--Etaonish 17:15, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
• Heh heh. I was the one who originally brought up Johnny Zhivago in the VfD threads... threatening to start a Johnny Zhivago article to make a point about not listing fictional bands mentioned in movies, basically. ExplorerCDT is having fun with that. Delete unless actual bands are detailed in the article. Wyss 17:32, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Oh, Wyss, you are so evil!  ;-) Delete. Edeans 21:13, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Merge with and redirect to A Clockwork Orange. You were looking for Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, but might have fared better with WP:FEITCTAJ (hmmm, it seems that doesn't exist... How odd. :-) And see List of fictional music groups, which lists our good Johnny. For your viewing pleasure and as a possible hoax reference, I mention the Rocklopedia Fakebandica, another, hmm, "encyclopedia" (I use the term loosely). And finally: johnnyzhivagonet, the site of an actual Johnny Zhivago (defunct since 2002, when they split up and reformed as Zen Motel). Does not validate the "large number of bands" claim, however, so add as trivia and redirect to titillate readers. :-) JRM 22:20, 2004 Dec 9 (UTC)
  • That makes it easy, a simple redirect to List of fictional music groups then. -R. fiend 00:01, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

    Of course, how silly of me. Merge with and redirect to the list instead; no need to burden A Clockwork Orange with it. List entry has no context, could use the line and a note about it having been used by a real band, but if you add it to the section "fictional groups that also existed", it should retain its own article... Uh oh, the plot thickens. ExplorerCDT, what have you done?! JRM 00:15, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)

    • I've created what the Jews like to refer to as a golem. —ExplorerCDT 00:17, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

      • Indeed you have. Now, to further complicate things, is it a person or a band? Specifically, does it go under "J", or "Z" (where it is now)? -R. fiend 01:35, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• I thought Johnny Zhivago was a singer from Pynchon's books. No, wait that was Eddie Enrico. Never mind. It's all Banzai to me. Inky 22:58, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect unless you can expand this article to show exactly how Johnny is descended from the famous Doctor Zhivago. (GD&RfC). P Ingerson 00:10, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Del.Mikkalai 08:38, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. ComCat.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.