Vero - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saishu Onoe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - kept

Saishu Onoe

Delete. I found this Japanese poet by following the "What links here" link from the tanka article. It looks like this is a very insignificant poet. I've listed further info on the talk:Saishu Onoe webpage. gK 13:11, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Weak keep. There seems to be no inaccuracy or agenda in this stub, and its existence testifies that somebody remembers his poetry. Is it possible to conduct a Google search in Japanese? Smerdis of Tlön 15:16, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Like this: [1] Ianb 21:12, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Well, the fact that he's been dead for nearly 50 years suggests that what note he has he's going to keep. Unfortunately, I can only find one google link for his name that doesn't originate from Wikipedia, and that's largely in Japanese. I'm loathe to lose information, but this does need to be verified somehow. Average Earthman 16:44, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete: There isn't any information here to lose, frankly. "Among the practitioners of tanka would be Saishu Onoe (birth-death dates), a caligrapher and poet" would more than do it. Yes, that would be a merge and delete vote, and I know that's not allowed. Still. This is substub stuff. The poet either deserves a full article or none. Geogre 18:52, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Send his article to where he is. Not notable. --Improv 20:28, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Comment: I am a practising philistine and not qualified to comment on matters of high literature, do however currently reside in Japan. A quick googling (above) reveals the guy has a memorial stone in Tsuyama [2] and seems to have influenced a generation of younger tanka poets. The only mention in the Japanese wikipedia [3] is a red link mentioning him as a teacher of Maeda Yugure (who?). As Geogre says, either all or nothing, though I'd much rather keep this than an article on some random magic sword in some random video game (or win the lottery so I can spend my time researching interesting stuff like this). --Ianb 21:12, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• I'm going to give this a keep, after reading Ianb's notes. —siroχo 03:59, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)
• I'm going to say keep for now.. Seems to be notable. Rhymeless|(Methyl Remiss) 07:14, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep This may be a important poet. What we could use is someone from Japan doign a bit of digging. But unless someone pops with detaisl that he is not notable then we should keep it and see if someone adds to it... --Asmodai 11:57, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Likely to become more interesting if expanded. Fire Star 16:10, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems valid. I wonder if there's an article on ja.wikipedia...since I don't know the guy's name kanji, not sure how I'd check. — Gwalla | Talk 23:49, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • 尾上柴舟, no entry in ja:--Ianb 23:55, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep DCEdwards1966 03:24, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)
• gK again: I'm still pretty new at this wikipedia stuff, and this is my first nomination for deletion. In looking through all Votes for deletion, I haven't seen the nominator come back with further argument, but I'm going to do it anyway. I probably didn't make my reason for nominating this article very clear. This is a waka (or tanka) poet who has never been translated into English as far as I can tell. The odds are that he may not get translated into English, and I feel pretty certain he will never have a book of his poetry translated into English. It does look like there is at least one book of his in print in Japan [4] -- another search at the Japanese amazon.com found two books [5]. He may be worthy of entry in the Japanese Wikipedia (sooner or later) 尾上柴舟, but I think that an entry in the English version is pretty useless at the moment. gK 09:17, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • PS: As for Maeda Yugure, it does look like he has some significance as both a poet and editor, so he should at least be in the Japanese Wikipedia. See: Memorial Room of Yugure Maeda at the Hadano Municipal Library. gK
  • PSS: I just checked the modern era volume from Donald Keene's monumental four volume history of Japanese Literature, Dawn to the West. Onoe Saishû gets two very brief mentions, so I could probably rewrite that info to turn the Onoe substub into a stub if the final vote is to keep (by my vote is still for delete). Maeda Yûgure gets three pages as one of the "Naturalist Poets", but doesn't rate his own chapter subhead, so even he is probably a candidate for only the Japanese Wikipedia, although I did enjoy the few poems of his in Keene's book. gK

• Keep. Looks valid to me. Radman1 14:27, 18 Oct 2004 (PST)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.